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>> well, actually, big bird doesn't get money from the government. in fact, the money that comes from the government into the corporation for public broadcasting doesn't come to pbs, it goes to our member stations. so that is actually what is at risk if, in fact, we are defunded because the money is going to stations across the country in aggregate our money is 15% of our budget. when you look at it station by station, some stations, particularly in rural parts of the country, they are a part of the federal budget is 50% to 70%. those stations will go off the air. for people sitting in communities across the country, that is at risk. that is the consequence if, in fact, our money is zeroed out. for the 40 years of our history we have been a great public private partnership and we take the federal money and leverage that with resources that we raise. >> i want to talk a little bit about jim lehrer. critics this morning just annihilating his performance last night. what did you think of jim lehrer's performance? >> i thought it was a very complicated d
>> well, actually, big bird doesn't get money from the government. in fact, the money that comes from the government into the corporation for public broadcasting doesn't come to pbs, it goes to our member stations. so that is actually what is at risk if, in fact, we are defunded because the money is going to stations across the country in aggregate our money is 15% of our budget. when you look at it station by station, some stations, particularly in rural parts of the country, they are a...
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>> reporter: well, the turkish government has squarely placed the blame on syrian government forces. and they have some evidence to back that up, john. because this border town had been hit by syrian government artillery, the turkish government says, last week. they actually filed a formal complaint at the united nations about that. even though there were no -- there were no casualties as a result of that incident. it's also important to note, it's not the first time syrian forces have fired into turkey. it happened at another border point, with a police officer from turkey, hit in a refugee camp by gunfire coming from syria. if the turks don't respond, the government is going to look quite weak in the eyes of many turks, particularly in the border region. turks who are very worried about their own safety right now after five turkish citizens were killed. john? >> intense, volatile, dangerous border. thank you, ivan watson, for monitoring it for us this morning. thanks, ivan. >>> it is 18 minutes past the hour. the meningitis outbreak first reported in tennessee has now spread to fiv
>> reporter: well, the turkish government has squarely placed the blame on syrian government forces. and they have some evidence to back that up, john. because this border town had been hit by syrian government artillery, the turkish government says, last week. they actually filed a formal complaint at the united nations about that. even though there were no -- there were no casualties as a result of that incident. it's also important to note, it's not the first time syrian forces have...
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government? >> that means exactly that. i'm trying to be vague. yeah, we've obviously, when somebody from a presidential delegation stays here after they've been here for limited purpose, the government's going to have an interest here, and justifiably so, in who they are, and why have they stayed here. >> why is he afraid for his safety? you said he's afraid for his safety. is he afraid for his safety, why? >> here in the united states? yes, because of the iranian government has a fairly long reach. they have an expensive and a fairly sophisticated, you know, spy network in countries around the world. and so he's obviously concerned about repercussions, and retaliation against him here. >> all right, paul o'dwyer when the time is right and it is safe enough we would love to speak to your client. seems like he has a lot to say and it would be fascinating. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> ahead on "starting point," a leap of faith. a man escapes his burning home by falling into the arms of his
government? >> that means exactly that. i'm trying to be vague. yeah, we've obviously, when somebody from a presidential delegation stays here after they've been here for limited purpose, the government's going to have an interest here, and justifiably so, in who they are, and why have they stayed here. >> why is he afraid for his safety? you said he's afraid for his safety. is he afraid for his safety, why? >> here in the united states? yes, because of the iranian government...
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>> what we're seeing right now is, in my view, a trickle-down government approach which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams and it's not working. >> it's thursday, october 4th. "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our team this morning to talk about last night's debate, brett o'donnell is with us, presidential campaign debate adviser extraordinaire, i'll add that on the end there and roland martin is host of washington watch aired on tv one, of course. you can't help yourself. >> got to have an interesting intro. >> it's already starting. >> and will cain from blaze.com. and dana bash, also extrrordinaire. >> i don't feel special. >> you are specially extrordinair extrordinaire. >> issues by -- by most accounts it was mitt romney who was the clear winner. john mccain of arizona is coming up to talk with us also obama campaign spokeswoman jen psaki will be joining us and austan goolsbee will be talking with us as well. for most nights it was mitt romney who was the aggressor. for offense, the president took a page o
>> what we're seeing right now is, in my view, a trickle-down government approach which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams and it's not working. >> it's thursday, october 4th. "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our team this morning to talk about last night's debate, brett o'donnell is with us, presidential campaign debate adviser extraordinaire, i'll add that on the end there and roland...
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. >>> plus -- >> american express in hot water with the government because of deceptive lending practices. customers could be in line for refund checks for hundreds of dollars. should beer you begetting some cash? find out. newsroom starts now. >>> we start with breaking news this morning. two u.s. border patrol agents have been shot in southern arizona and we have now learned that one of those agents has died from his gunshot wounds. the fbi and cochise sheriff's office, near the area where border patrol agent involved in that fast and furious program was shot and killed, brian terry. we'll have much more on this story, much more information in the next two hours of newsroom. >>> also this morning, it sounds like something out of a nightmare. imagine being on a plane and having your seat detach from the floor mid flight. it's happened at least twice in the past two weeks. >> we don't want that thing flying around with passengers behind them. >> last night a flight had to return. and emergency landing at jfk in new york after three seats detached from the floor during the flight. the plan
. >>> plus -- >> american express in hot water with the government because of deceptive lending practices. customers could be in line for refund checks for hundreds of dollars. should beer you begetting some cash? find out. newsroom starts now. >>> we start with breaking news this morning. two u.s. border patrol agents have been shot in southern arizona and we have now learned that one of those agents has died from his gunshot wounds. the fbi and cochise sheriff's...